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Minoterie de la Chalosse
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🏬#37 🏅60%  REJECT • €70k • industrial • town • 700m² mini-hub

Decent position 100m from a river, just outside pleasant village with services, and bus to a good town. But an odd property surrounded by overgrown thickets (could be cleared) and outlook from top is towards industrial warehouses.

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southern France: Mont-de-Marsan, Dax, (Pau, Bayonne, Bordeaux)
☃️3–11–18°C  🏖26–35°  ☀️9 days  ☔️11 days; mild but often overcast in winter(!?)
DUBIOUS  🔨 effort
GOOD  💰 cost
OKAY  🚃 transport
DUBIOUS  ✈️ access
OKAY  🛒 shops
OKAY  🏙 towns
DUBIOUS  🏇 activities
DUBIOUS  ☀️ climate
OKAY  🏔 nature
DUBIOUS  🌷 garden
DUBIOUS  🏠 building
OKAY  🏘 neighbourhood
OKAY  📡 internet
BAD  ♻️ sustainability
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Environment natural but flat agricultural with little variety; beach 1h, mountains 1h30; greenway on doorstep, few other trails, tennis courts; could SUP and kayak on the river with our own; horse/kayak within 30mins

Services all; 20mins bus to town (last back 7:30pm)

Access bus then train Paris 4h; 1h15 drive to three airports

Other Notes My feeling after visiting is that it's not appealing, despite the nice village, due to the combination of climate, slightly obscured winter sun, age and less than picturesque envionrment. It doesn't score high on any factor other than cost, money and effort would be better put to an actual ruin like #90.
• just across the road: music venue, organic shop and cafe, microbrewery, there's also a nicely renovated indoor market hall, several sports ground including beach volley/rugby, tennis, etc; the neighbouring town has lots more sports facilities including an olympic pool, jacuzzi and sauna
p45 and p44 zone UHc extensions permitted and is surrounded by protected zone with exception of the station PLU
• needs complete fitout, notably new floors and windows, some refinishing of blockwork, and potentially elimination of roof overhang
• 450m2 of courtyard/garden in in front of building (north facing); possibly 1100m2 of wooded land to the side (plot 44)
• ZRR ✅ tax reductions
• 34km greenway to Dax (starts nearby); the remaining railway to Mont-de-Marsan past the building may be converted in future as well which would be very cool
• local town is pretty and has good hangouts
• quite ugly building, so creativity needed!
• island in the river just across the railway
• good for canoe/kayak on doorstep!
• silo building 5 floors, main part is 12x5.5=70==350, then 5.5*5==125 (stairs and lifts?); too narrow for rooms boths sides, but would give 12*14m2 rooms, there's scop in the other buildings for another 4 plus bunks but will need to build some extra spaces, however this could be done as demand grows
• could use a silo for spiral stairway and remove the existing inside but the main wing is narrow and full depth should probably be used for studios at that end rather than lost to corridors
• 4 silos each silo is ~2.75m diamter which is quite small but obviously unlimited height; could plausibly add windows and floors for 4 very unusual studios each using all 4 silos across (for a bed, loung, kitchen and bath in each one) however that's a lot of cutting; less would be tall studios using two silos each, with mezzanine bed in one
• side building 3 floors 13x6=75==225 this would be common spaces
• potentially an amazing roof terrace but seems to have acquired a sloped roof since originally built
• top floor doesn't have south windows and only portholes on north
• needs all new floors but beams are concrete
original perspective
• 3 busses M–F to Mont-de-Marsan is adequate for airport connections but uses up a whole day for travel to reach; the long drive to airports means collecting doesn't work, not even from better stations as they're all 40mins, however airport could be organised on a specified day weekly thus also including a daytrip to the city
• last train from Bordeaux is at 9:15pm and a pickup from the town isn't difficult
• 1.5km to exchange so only ADSL2+; but there's a pocket of VDSL2 across the field (and river) so could relay as have high roof; fibre planned through a public-access network for 2021
• whilst the property lacks capacity, there's still potential for festivals, with the camping, and great municipal halls

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Jacob Jay🎩 posted to Poll: an alternative approach?

#60 Institut Lamothe-Poulin sold at €65k. I'm going to proceed on registration of the co‑op ASAP so as to issue some preliminary membership contracts and actually know what solid commitments we have amongst us, rather than currently working on the assumption that only myself and a few others would be prepared.

I've earmarked the following for my next visits in the next week or two, so expect more videos!

  • #90 El Batán — in bad shape but cheap so the cost of local workers is probably ok given the excellent location and climate
  • #37 Minoterie de la Chalosse — whilst it has a similar work scope as Covilhã, is much smaller and natural next to a river / good village
  • #89 Complesso San Pietro — I'm in two minds as the countryside seems boring including the beach, good towns though


This is really all there is currently in the realm of reasonableness. Once contracts start being drawn up I'll evaluate more expensive properties, perhaps #78 Proença a Velha, #88 Alcoy. If you've leads or ideas, post them!