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Tobacco Warehouse
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🏬#32 🥇79%   €150k • historic • village • 970m² mini-hub • lovely building on edge of village near lake
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central Italy: Perugia
☃️2–9–14°  🏖31–36°  ☀️14 days  🌧8 days
OKAY  🔨 effort
DUBIOUS  💰 cost
GOOD  🚃 transport
GOOD  ✈️ access
OKAY  🛒 shops
OKAY  🏙 towns
OKAY  🏇 activities
OKAY  ☀️ climate
GOOD  🏔 nature
OKAY  🌷 garden
GOOD  🏠 building
GOOD  🏘 neighbourhood
GOOD  📡 internet
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Environment ✧ mostly flat and cultivated but paths on doorstep to hills (1h30 walk to top) and a large lake with watersports bikeable

Services ✧ basics (cafes, food), 15 mins walk to supermarket; 20mins bus/30mins bike to small town, 40mins drive/1h bus to Perugia

Access ✧ good local busses; station 15mins, Florence ~1h15, Rome 1h++; Perugia airport 45mins drive

Notes ✧ very pleasant but lacking variety
✦ main roof already renovated but otherwise a barren shall with all fitout required
✦ gorgeous internal arches although possibly difficult to plan around
✦ can rebuild the ruined 'winter garden' (needs a new roof, could be a terrace) for extra 160m2 (maybe double if two floors is allowed)
✦ owner/neigbour will sell half their adjoining garden for around 1300m2 as there is almost none adjoining the property, however there is a 990m2 vegetable plot on opposite side of road
✦ ground floor of 480m2 for common spaces, plus dorm; giving only a 0.7 common space ratio to bedrooms
✦ 1st floor of 340m2 for 7 bedrooms (3 ensuite, 4 shared) and attic of 220m2 for 7 bedrooms (3 ensuite, 4 shared) although potentially tricky to fit in
✦ share price may be reasonable around €2.2k/mo
✦ attic rooms would all have one small window, but 2 large rooms would need skylights
✦ FFTC, so should get min 50Mbps down, not implausible a commercial fibre run would be possible from the cabinet; plus WiMAX coverage for extra upstream
✦ natural lake means mosquitoes are apparently an issue, but is some distance away
✦ there are only two notable towns, one small and close bus or bike, the other Perugia is a bit far
✦ last bus back from Perugia 7pm, from Castiglion 5pm
✦ Perugia airport has added year round flights to Stansted, Malta and Catania, others seasonal, however Rome and Florence are reasonable by train
✦ station is Chiusi-chianciano, with twice daily direct high-speed train (8am from north/to south, 9pm from south/to north)
✦ slightly better sunshine than Montecastelli; winter months are unappealing and fairly overcast but rainfall is low under 50mm, and whilst the climate appears to drop a bit low, shoulder season highs are over 20°
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Jacob Jay🎩 posted to Poll: an alternative approach?

#60 Institut Lamothe-Poulin sold at €65k. I'm going to proceed on registration of the co‑op ASAP so as to issue some preliminary membership contracts and actually know what solid commitments we have amongst us, rather than currently working on the assumption that only myself and a few others would be prepared.

I've earmarked the following for my next visits in the next week or two, so expect more videos!

  • #90 El Batán — in bad shape but cheap so the cost of local workers is probably ok given the excellent location and climate
  • #37 Minoterie de la Chalosse — whilst it has a similar work scope as Covilhã, is much smaller and natural next to a river / good village
  • #89 Complesso San Pietro — I'm in two minds as the countryside seems boring including the beach, good towns though


This is really all there is currently in the realm of reasonableness. Once contracts start being drawn up I'll evaluate more expensive properties, perhaps #78 Proença a Velha, #88 Alcoy. If you've leads or ideas, post them!

River Ferdinandy🧚‍ posted to Hub projects

#32 Tobacco Warehouse could be good :)For Italian properties I already have done all the spreadsheets to calculate IMU (property tax) TASI (some other random tax) and TARI (the garbage tax). These can be significant and depend on the cadastral category, square meters, amount of people. Generally speaking though, Italy is complicated legally, and if we want to have more than 6 rooms and 12 spaces, and also rent to guests for periods less than a month, we get into strange territory legally speaking. I still need to crack this one.

Ciprian Iamandi posted to Hub projects

#32 Tobacco Warehouse I like this candidate for a mini‑hub