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🏬#73 🏅59%  REJECT • €55k • commercial • village • 900m² mini-hub • unique building in tiny village with good countryside
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southern France: Beziers, Narbonne, Carcassonne, (Montpellier, Toulouse)
☃️4–10–17°  🏖29–35°  ☀️10 days  🌧12 days
AWFUL  🔨 effort
GOOD  💰 cost
BAD  🚃 transport
OKAY  ✈️ access
DUBIOUS  🛒 shops
GOOD  🏙 towns
GOOD  🏇 activities
OKAY  ☀️ climate
GOOD  🏔 nature
DUBIOUS  🌷 garden
OKAY  🏠 building
OKAY  🏘 neighbourhood
OKAY  📡 internet
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Environment ✧ hillside vineyards and canal valley; paths on doorstep, river/canal 15mins bike; beaches and natural park 40mins drive

Services ✧ tiny shop; minimarket/bakery/resto 10mins bike; larger 30mins bike; 2 big towns 30mins drive

Access ✧ stations/Beziers airport 30mins drive, Carcassonne 1h, Toulouse/Montpellier 1h30, Barcelona 2h30; Paris 4h30

Notes ✧ good value mini-hub with very nice nature and towns but no transit independence, however with bikes several villages are within 10–30 mins having a selection of cafés, restaurants and swimming spots, and for the adventurously independent Narbonne is 1h bike away
✦ we'd definately need electric bikes and a couple of battered old Renault 4s for communal getting around
✦ building would be much more presentable than initial seems, especially with a walled garden
✦ solid concrete building with stone facade; requires windows to be cut into it and vats demolished which for France will be fairly expensive probably 50k using local labour for window openings alone; maybe the whole lot could be done using non-local labour for 75k
✦ first floor is extremly tall
✦ would actually be a fun conversion if vats are partially maintained dividing each room with mezzanines inside, ensuites and hall added outside, however the common areas at ground level would be more difficult
✦ view from top floor with high cieling for workspaces and lounge
✦ possibly awkward for use as passage under beams looks about head height, plus has cross beams higher than floor, would need to raise floor at sides, have steps down from middle, or best rebuild beams lower as required for floor anyway
✦ cool ground floor for kitchen and cinema
✦ at least 6 premium rooms (25m2), 10 standard (16m2 mezz), 1 pod room, plus good common space (450m2)
✦ there is an infrequent / school bus 689, 642
✦ 25m long in 5 section of 5m each; 12m deep each 5m with 4m central
✦ exchange next door so very good VDSL2 and can aggregrate multiple
✦ garden is currently 140m2 of tarmac and is also overlooked by the new vats, thus sun blocked for all but north wall in winter, however whole south wall gets sun all years
✦ could probably easily get permission to have a raised roof garden and gain the extra 140m2 at ground level
✦ newer but tiny cave is next door, a bit urgly, and will smell during harvest
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Jacob Jay🎩 posted to Poll: an alternative approach?

#60 Institut Lamothe-Poulin sold at €65k. I'm going to proceed on registration of the co‑op ASAP so as to issue some preliminary membership contracts and actually know what solid commitments we have amongst us, rather than currently working on the assumption that only myself and a few others would be prepared.

I've earmarked the following for my next visits in the next week or two, so expect more videos!

  • #90 El Batán — in bad shape but cheap so the cost of local workers is probably ok given the excellent location and climate
  • #37 Minoterie de la Chalosse — whilst it has a similar work scope as Covilhã, is much smaller and natural next to a river / good village
  • #89 Complesso San Pietro — I'm in two minds as the countryside seems boring including the beach, good towns though


This is really all there is currently in the realm of reasonableness. Once contracts start being drawn up I'll evaluate more expensive properties, perhaps #78 Proença a Velha, #88 Alcoy. If you've leads or ideas, post them!